Weight Loss

Hello everybody! My name is Jenn and I am new to this forum. Unfortunately I am overweight - I weigh 265lbs....definitely too much! Unfortunately don't have much time to do any kind of sports and that is why I decided to try the weight loss pill kioslim. Does anybody have any experience with that pill?

It is. I have learned it the hard way while dieting.

Really? Unfortunately I haven't met that many people who have tried a weight loss pill. Or at least they haven't admitted it :-) So which kind of pills did the people at your working place use? Kioslim or any other pills?

So has the package already arrived?

Mostly people don't admit it, they have taken things I have never heard off, but most of them didn't change their eating habits, and gained it all back,  none have taken Kioslim, but when I told them what Kioslim contained they were impressed because they have heard of the ingredients, so it must be good, one gal might join me.

Pills help you very quickly. You can loose your weight in 2-3 weeks, but when you stopped to take them your weight is back plus few pounds more than you had before. Pills are not solution. Try do not eat after 4 p.m., and try to eat more salads.

jennus diet pills don't work for the long run, in fact you can damage your body more by using them.  If you are insistent on taking diet pills you will need to consult your doctor and work out a plan with him/her.  Diet pills can affect your lungs, heart, liver and kidneys, as well as destroy your metabolism.  The best plan is to get yourself on a good eating path, because that in the long run is what will keep your weight off.  What happens to your body once you have lost weight is you always have the fat cells ready for storage, so it becomes easy to gain the weight back.  Then once you have gained the weight back again, usually and anyone here can correct me if I am wrong, but the tendency is to gain even more.  I was in my twenties when all I wanted to do was lose 30 pounds now I need to lose 140!!!!  Dieting is serious and you need to make a commitment to yourself to lose it in a healthy way, so you have a long healthy life.  You can still lose weight pretty steadily just not an unrealistic amount of weight in a short time.  Think of it this way, weight came on over a long period of time, it has to come off the same.  The slower the weight comes off the more of a chance of it staying off.  You don't have to go crazy with exercise, just start walking a little a day and slowly build up.  Ultimately you have to decide what you want to do, but please talk with your doctor first.  He/she may want to give you an exam to check to make sure you are healthy enough to use pills.  I don't mean to be blunt, but I have seen diet pills have some devastating affects.  Your doctor may also have other options for you as well. 

The only 'effective' dietpill ever has really been the ECA stack. Which is basically now illegal, although can be obtained... 99% of diet pills are gimicks. ECA worked, but its now illegal (atleast as a weightloss suppliment), I guess the idea of having a pill that does what it says is too much competition to Big Pharm who has yet to find anything effective..

Interesting.  If you go back and read only hillbillyrock and jennus replies, it sounds suspiciously like a cheesy weight loss commercial that airs after midnight.

In fact, I don't think there's a thread where jennus doesn't specifically mention kioslim by name.  Odd.

looking a little closer, you may just be right......  Good eye!!!!!!

You know what I find even funnier? Neither use correct grammar ( a pet peeve of mine). It sounds a little like how my one friend here at school talks-- shes learning English.

Take a look on the "kioslim" website-- http://www.kioslim.com/

Bam. First sentence. Grammar mistake. Also, if you notice the logo type thing at the top of the page-- a big red circle. It kinda reminds me of the japanese flag... hmmm...

Here's why I will NEVER take a single diet pill.  A) nothing worth doing is ever easy.

B) The vast majority of diet pills are UNREGULATED.  Because they are not FDA approved, not only does FDA not even look at them, and lets them get away with a tiny little label - but that also means that there is NOTHING to back up the claims of what the diet pill is made up of, or the quality of those ingredients.  That's actually one of the reasons I dont take vitamins - how do you really know what you're taking?

Hoodia has been proven over and over again that the dried extract just doesn't work.  You basically have to be chewing the fresh leaves of the plant in order to have an effect.

People claiming they want the pills to help feel full are just not eating the right foods.  As soon as the pills are gone - wham ! there's the empty feeling back, and I bet even worse than before you started, since you won't be used to it - so, back on the pills, right? It just sounds like a huge vicious cycle to me.

I think my grammer is fine, can't help it if I was raised in France and came to the states when I was in my teens. Anyway, I am just using a diet pill to kickstart my diet, actually not a diet I am planning on changing my eating habits.  I just plain ate wrong after I had my 3 kids, and didn't really care, now I care alot and I am going to change that.

Original Post by techraven:

The only 'effective' dietpill ever has really been the ECA stack. Which is basically now illegal, although can be obtained... 99% of diet pills are gimicks. ECA worked, but its now illegal (atleast as a weightloss suppliment), I guess the idea of having a pill that does what it says is too much competition to Big Pharm who has yet to find anything effective..

 

The ECA stack is illegal because it killed someone, not because it's too much competition to Big Pharm.

I got a question for those who say diet pills are bad:

Why take a the negative effects that applies to few supplements, and try to apply it to all diet supplements? 

There are a multitude of safe weight loss supplements including: calcium, phaseolamin, green tea, chromiun, fish oil, fucoxanthin, cinnamon, fenugreek, ginger root, alpha lipoic acid, cordyceps, inistol, l-carnitine, coleus forskohlli and gluccomanin konjac. 

There are several more that if used appropriately, can be very safe.  Including, Co-Q10, DHEA and 5-HTP. 

I don't think the answer to weight loss is the use of supplements, but I do think they can safely assist dieters in meeting and maintaing a healthy weight.

 

Original Post by strikez:

loss supplements including: calcium, phaseolamin, green tea, Chromiun, fish oil, fucoxanthin, cinnamon, fenugreek, ginger root, alpha lipoic acid, cordyceps, inistol, l-carnitine, coleus forskohlli and gluccomanin konjac.

Calcium - when taking calcium, take with Vit D.  Not sure how this applies to weight loss though.

Phaseolamin - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phaseolamin =However the difference in weight loss between those taking Phaseolamin and those taking the placebo was not considered statistically significant.

Green tea has not been shown to definetly help weight loss - it's good for you, and if you drink more unsweetened fluid because you are drinking green tea, then good for you

Chromium - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium - probably not a good idea

Fish liver oil - generally good for you - but for weight loss?

Fucozanthin http://altmedicine.about.com/od/herbsupplemen tguide/a/fucoxanthin.htm not proven yet.

cinnamon - good for you, but I can't find anything that definitively says it helps with weight loss, outside of anectdotal storoes

Fenugreek - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenugreek nothing here about weight loss, and some people should actually AVOID it

Ginger root - see cinnamon

alpha lipoic acid - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_lipoic_aci d - not for weight loss

cordyceps - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordyceps - fungus. Again, can't find anything that definetly says 'this works' aside from stories - apparently causes reactions in some people.

inistol - can't even find anything on this.

l-carnitine - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnitine - seems good for diabetes, but this would probably be better to get from eating the right foods, not as a suppliment - as are most vitamins and minerals.

coleus forskohlli  - is this spelled correctly? no returns on search

glucomannan konjac - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucomannan - might actually work

DHEA - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DHEA wow.. very bad.

co-Q10 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coenzyme_Q10 - nothing here about diet.

5-Hydroxytryptophan - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-HTP  - 5-HTP raises blood serotonin levels, and because of the risks associated with elevated levels it should only be taken under the advice of a medical professional (See Chronic diseases resulting from serotonin 5-HT2B overstimulation). For instance, elevated blood serotonin levels are associated with cardiac valve failure and acute or chronic pulmonary hypertension.

Weight loss pills are BAD, I don't care if they help you loose weight, DON'T DO IT!  Just STOP IT!  Maybe you're successful, but your filling your body with possibly dangerous junk, chemicals, and toxins.  Ephedra was banned for a reason.  Even the "safe stuff" is not all that safe.  Caffeine is a drug as well.  Over dosing on caffeine is a stupid thing to do.  It's filled with chemicals and can really harm your body.  Sure you may loose weight, but do you really want to hurt your body in the process?

For loosing weight what you need the TRUTH.  What ever you weigh right now, it's your fault.  For better or worse, your actions have created this situation.  You need to look inside and decide for yourself why you did it and how you can make better choices for yourself.  Your body more important then your job, that ice cream Sunday, or a potentially dangerous weight loss drug.

Throw those pills away and get real with yourself, like the nike add says, "just do it."  Read some books, learn about nutrition and how to incorporate exercise into your busy schedule. 

Getting real with yourself will take you way farther then those pills ever will.

Fluffydragon - you can use wikipedia - now if you could only understand the underlying causes for satiety control, metabolic syndrome and hormonal balance - that list of supplements may be enlightening.   Trying to explain that to you would take far too much time - but if you could expand your horizons - you may someday learn. 

fionabus - if it is as simple as you say, than why is obesity such a problem.  I don't think slogans and arrogance are the whole solution.  It may have worked for you - but I don't think you ever had a weight problem, just any image problem.  Big difference.

Stikez- Yes my philosophy is simple, but it's not easy.  It's hard.  It's hard to look at yourself in the mirror and be real with who you are.  It's hard to take down all ther barriers you've carefully put up and face all the old hurts and fears you've felt.  It's hard to face what you've been so afraid of.  It's easier to reach for fries and a shake to up your seritonin levels and make you feel better for a little while.  Food is a distration for many many many people out there.  That's why were fat.  We're looking for the easy way out.

There are two main resons that people gain weight.  Emotional eating and not knowing about enough about proper nutrition.  That's why weight loss pills rarely work in the long run, because people aren't adressing the real issues.  You have to arm yourself with knowledge, not a quick fix.

ECA didn't kill someone, stupditity did, he took a massive OD, and worked out for hours with no hydration in 100 degree weather...no crap your gonna die... Ephedrine is still sold today, and still used, and has been used for 4000+ years as a medicine...

Ephedrine is still sold OTC, just not as a weightloss, if it was as dangerous as the claims, it'd not be sold... Its just that it is actually effective, it has anticatabolic effects, with positive thermogentic effects... No pill has ever come close to doing it as effectively as this one, of course Big Pharm is scared of that, and they have a patent on Ephedrine, what better way to insure money but to allow their non-working pills that sell like crazy, stop pills that work, and still be able to sell their products...

Also you can thank Meth heads for a lot of the ephedrine legality issues, not even the VERY few cases of OD (You can OD on everything btw, including your multivitamin, go take 2 bottles and workout for 10 hours, then can we sue Multivitamin manufacturers after your funeral?)

Original Post by strikez:

I got a question for those who say diet pills are bad:

Why take a the negative effects that applies to few supplements, and try to apply it to all diet supplements? 

There are a multitude of safe weight loss supplements including: calcium, phaseolamin, green tea, chromiun, fish oil, fucoxanthin, cinnamon, fenugreek, ginger root, alpha lipoic acid, cordyceps, inistol, l-carnitine, coleus forskohlli and gluccomanin konjac. 

There are several more that if used appropriately, can be very safe.  Including, Co-Q10, DHEA and 5-HTP. 

I don't think the answer to weight loss is the use of supplements, but I do think they can safely assist dieters in meeting and maintaing a healthy weight.

 

Here's the issue with that...  One would need to visit a nutritionist to get an analysis of what vitamins and nutrients they are deficient in.  All to often is people indiscriminately take supplements and get very sick because they do not take them in proper proportions, and they do not know which vitamins react well with others and which will defeat the purpose of some.  So you see, you really need to be a little more informed about what you are doing before simply indulging in diet pills.  Just because green tea is good for us does not necessarily mean that it will be good in conjunction with other nutrients or be effective.  Dieting is a science and we really need to understand cause and affect.  There is also a difference in supplements and diet pills.   Dieting for a lack of a better word is teaching yourself to eat properly, exercise regularly and overall live a healthy life.  Not over indulging is key. 

Original Post by strikez:

Fluffydragon - you can use wikipedia - now if you could only understand the underlying causes for satiety control, metabolic syndrome and hormonal balance - that list of supplements may be enlightening.   Trying to explain that to you would take far too much time - but if you could expand your horizons - you may someday learn. 

That's your list of suppliments, not mine - I'm showing why you shouldn't necessarily take them all the time, or even at all, expecting results.  The underlying CAUSE for satiety control? I don't know what you mean by that, could you explain? . I don't know what those other two have to do with weight loss.

TechRaven, Ephedrine is a drug - you aren't supposed to take it all the time, every day.  like multivitamins.  A lot of stupid people OD on a variety of things every day and die, or don't die - that doesn't mean not OD'ing on something makes it safe to take every day.  For instance, you aren't supposed to take nyquil every night for the rest of your life - it's a bad idea.  If you haven't noticed "Big Pharm" WANTS everyone to take as many drugs as they possibly can that they don't usually need - if they were actually scared of it, it WOULDN'T be available.  Yeah, we can blame drug users for a lot of things, but is it really such a bad thing that you can't buy more than a 1-2 pill a day supply of sudafed? It might be even more than that - I think the limit is one box of 36 pills every two weeks? one week? so what?

As for suing due to an OD, that pretty much rarely happens, maybe never.  Though, the one thing that I know of that no one has ever died of an overdose from is pot.  I doubt 10 multivitamins will kill you.  My friend killed herself many years ago by taking a handful of tylenol - and THAT"S 'safe', right?