im 14, so im pretty fresh

These diets are not healthful, and tend to promote rebound in the long run.

You're young - all the more reason to make sure you're getting adequate nutrition while eating less.  Ketosis is not the way to health!

Why is it that so many people STILL flee from the simple, good sense approach of smaller portions of healthier foods with more exercise?

The Atkins diet is ketogenic. Dr. Atkins died of a heart attack.

Original Post by nycgirl:

The Atkins diet is ketogenic. Dr. Atkins died of a heart attack.

Well, as much as I dislike Atkins and other very-low-carb diets, it should be pointed out that Atkins' death was due to complications of a severe head injury he sustained from falling on ice. He did have a heart attack, about a year earlier - which he claimed was unrelated to diet. That's obviously up for debate.

Personally, I think that a lot of Americans could stand lower their carb and fat intake, but few Americans' diets are deficient in protein. I think Atkins goes way too far. South Beach is still a bit extreme but better - I personally think the GI diets are probably the best way to go. Main thing to remember is that if you fill up on veggies first, there won't be much room left for so many carbs...

http://www.snopes.com/medical/doctor/atkins.asp

Original Post by udokier:

Original Post by nycgirl:

The Atkins diet is ketogenic. Dr. Atkins died of a heart attack.

Well, as much as I dislike Atkins and other very-low-carb diets, it should be pointed out that Atkins' death was due to complications of a severe head injury he sustained from falling on ice. He did have a heart attack, about a year earlier - which he claimed was unrelated to diet. That's obviously up for debate.

Personally, I think that a lot of Americans could stand lower their carb and fat intake, but few Americans' diets are deficient in protein. I think Atkins goes way too far. South Beach is still a bit extreme but better - I personally think the GI diets are probably the best way to go. Main thing to remember is that if you fill up on veggies first, there won't be much room left for so many carbs...

http://www.snopes.com/medical/doctor/atkins.asp

That's not what the Drs from the hospital he was treated in personally told me. It was a coverup of sorts apparently. But that's a moot point and I don't want to be the one to get the topic off-topic. I went on Atkins lost 6-8 lbs rapidly and over the course of the next year gained back 12. I think keeping your fat:protein:carb ratio at 25:25:50 or 30:30:40 is ideal and you will lose weight and be able to sustain it's loss. It's calories what matter for long-term weightloss and life change. If you want a quick fix eat less than 20g carbs a day but I tell you it won't be permanent and will lead to yo-yo dieting and much frustration when the weight piles back on.

Original Post by nycgirl:

That's not what the Drs from the hospital he was treated in personally told me. It was a coverup of sorts apparently. But that's a moot point and I don't want to be the one to get the topic off-topic. I went on Atkins lost 6-8 lbs rapidly and over the course of the next year gained back 12. I think keeping your fat:protein:carb ratio at 25:25:50 or 30:30:40 is ideal and you will lose weight and be able to sustain it's loss. It's calories what matter for long-term weightloss and life change. If you want a quick fix eat less than 20g carbs a day but I tell you it won't be permanent and will lead to yo-yo dieting and much frustration when the weight piles back on.

 

I think you're right on the mark RE carb/fat/protein ratios  any less than 40% of calories from carbs and you may risk lowered brain function, lethargy, etc.

well its a short term diet for me (around 3 months) because im cutting till like at least 15% and and 25% bf. Well i want to lose 20 pounds of fat and gain 40 pounds of muscle with minimum fat. thats the mentality of a teenage bodybuilder... but i really think its ok for me to do short term diet with this, i dont think i will die of a heart attack when im 60 or something, i will be very active pretty much all my life and i think CVE will undo the damage i did

Original Post by davidthefat:

Well i want to lose 20 pounds of fat and gain 40 pounds of muscle with minimum fat. 

Gain 40lb of muscle in 3 months?  While losing weight?  Good luck! 

Original Post by davidthefat:

well its a short term diet for me (around 3 months) because im cutting till like at least 15% and and 25% bf. Well i want to lose 20 pounds of fat and gain 40 pounds of muscle with minimum fat. thats the mentality of a teenage bodybuilder... but i really think its ok for me to do short term diet with this, i dont think i will die of a heart attack when im 60 or something, i will be very active pretty much all my life and i think CVE will undo the damage i did

Then I strongly recommend you go to a gym and consult with an experienced bodybuilder before starting such a regime.  I seriously doubt that putting your body into ketosis is the best way to get the results you want.

I'm going to also PM melkor, our resident bodybuilding expert - he can school you better on this much better than I could.

this seems already settled but I noticed reading the first line it was like Atkins, I love Atkins, it works, I also agree it's a better starter for a diet than a long-term plan, like I think ... everyone.... should do atkins for 2 months or something ... because OMG 0 CARBS IS SO MUCH HARDER THAN ANYONE EVER COULD EVER IMAGINE. It's like at least you can get satisfaction out of any other diet, there is NO SATISFACTION on this diet, you can eat AS MUCH AS YOU WANT AND YOU WILL ALWAYS BE HUNGRY AND UNSATISFIED, It's miserable, it's amazing, it works, I love XD

Original Post by du57y:

this seems already settled but I noticed reading the first line it was like Atkins, I love Atkins, it works, I also agree it's a better starter for a diet than a long-term plan, like I think ... everyone.... should do atkins for 2 months or something ... because OMG 0 CARBS IS SO MUCH HARDER THAN ANYONE EVER COULD EVER IMAGINE. It's like at least you can get satisfaction out of any other diet, there is NO SATISFACTION on this diet, you can eat AS MUCH AS YOU WANT AND YOU WILL ALWAYS BE HUNGRY AND UNSATISFIED, It's miserable, it's amazing, it works, I love XD

That doesn't seem like a very glowing recommendation to me...

I get 50% of my calories from carbs and I *STILL* crave more, so I don't think Atkins would be for me. 

Beside, what I've been doing has worked great, too, and I haven't had any complaints about my breath, I'm not all gunked up from lack of fiber, it just seems better all around.

im 25% bf so i aint bulking... well its too late for me, i already started...

Fat - 43.8% (84 grams)
Protein - 47.7% (206 grams)
Carbohydrates - 5.6% (24 grams)
Alcohol - 0.0%
Other - 2.9%

Daily Sodium Intake - 1,904 mg
Daily Sugar Intake - 15 grams
Daily Cholesterol Intake - 1,302 mg
Daily Saturated Fat Intake - 34 grams
Nutrition Grade

Date Calories Grams Fat Carbs Protein Grade 2008-05-21 1,729 562 84 24 206 B-

ps, i meant to say gain 40 lb of muscle after the cut, i have been bodybuilding for a half a year now, and i did alot of research, im pretty well off... well lol i crave protien more than carbs...

my brother, who was suffering up to 20 seizures a day, was put on the ketogenic diet for 9 months about 10 years ago.  it was miserable.  he had to eat whole sticks of butter, without anything else, just to eat all the fat that was required.  my parents spent about 3 hours daily weighing and preparing his food.  this diet is not for weight loss and it's not fun.  it's for medical reasons and is intended to be medically supervised.

and the atkins diet is not truly ketogenic.  the atkins diet is extremely easy compared to the ketogenic diet.

Wed, May 21 2008 Grade Grams Cals Pro Performance 100% Whey Protein B- 62 240 Pro Performance 100% Whey Protein B- 62 240   Breakfast Egg, Scrambled B- 188 399   Lunch Pork, Fresh, Loin, Sirloin (Chops), Boneless - Separable Lean And Fat, Cooked, Braised B 164 310   Dinner Chicken, Breast, Meat Only - Cooked, Fried B 86 161   Snacks Smoked Sardines in Oil - Sardines C
190 Smoked Sardines in Oil - Sardines C
190 Total Calories Consumed 1,729

Original thread made by Wintermule: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=107931331

- Creatine will not kill you if you take it when you're fifteen. Neither will NO Explode.
- We don't really care that much about your progress from 145-146 pounds.
- Yes, if you're not gaining weight at 140 pounds, eat more.
- If you don't like squatting, squat anyway.
- If you are asking us a scenario and you want our opinion if you should or shouldn't do something, the answer is no, don't do it.
- Yes, you should work legs and back.
- No, you should not have a bicep/arm/chest day, every day.
- No, you shouldn't lift weight five hours every day.
- No, you are not going to go from 150-200 pounds in two months.
- We don't give a **** if you want a six pack and you HAVE to have one by next week.
- If you're 140 pounds, don't cut over the summer so that you have a six pack. Clean bulk.
- The cholesterol in egg yolks is dietary cholesterol. Eat it and shut the hell up.
- Soreness is not an indicator of muscle growth.
- 1-3 reps strength, 4-6/7 strength and mass, 8-12 mass (generally...around there...yeah)
- If you're going to get into a fight and you want our advice, I suggest you get a brick and throw it at the person and then run.
- If you have a problem, kill it. Jus' sayin'.
- Squatting will not stunt your growth. Weightlifting itself will not stunt your growth.
- LAST BUT NOT LEAST, NO, do not take steroids when you're fifteen at 148 pounds.
- Yes, he mad.

Updates:

- Do not make threads on whether it is safe to take so-and-so supplement at 15/16/17, unless it's a prohormone or a steroid. In that case, still don't make the thread.
- Protein does not mess up your liver.
- Yes, you can take protein and creatine at the same time. But don't add in fish oil tablets, or your face will explode. It's like mixing soda and pop rocks.
- Cell tech is too hardcore. Don't buy it.

/teen section

You can do a low carb diet and still be healty. I managed to lose 82 pounds and have kept it off for almost 3 yrs. I eat very low carbs in the morning and evening and for lunch I have healthy carbs.  As long as you stay active and eat they healthy low carbs you wil see plenty of results. 

hotwaxburns, congrats on the weight loss and being able to maintain it ... was your diet more Southbeach than ketogenic? Do you mind me asking what sort of foods did you eat throughout the day? Thanks!